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00:32 < jkolb> so this new 7950....
00:35 < pmdata> it has a big fan? requires 1000W psu? your soul?
00:37 < jkolb> no it lacks a fan
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20:48 < LeRoutier> hello
20:48 < EdB> hi
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20:52 < ElRoutier> does anyone know about a tool released by Nvidia a long time ago (only version I have is from 2001) and called NVMods. Its purpose seems to be to test for hardware failure of NV hardware via simple tests
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20:53 < ElRoutier> version I have contains some NV20 and lower OpenGL tests which are  here to test the hardware (not a software fallback)
20:53 < marcheu> ElRoutier: I didn't know it, but I'm interested in getting it
20:53 < ElRoutier> so, perhaps it also contains some magic numbers in the headers that you could need
20:54 < ElRoutier> marcheu, ok, I'm going to upload my version somewhere. I'll post the link here just after
20:55 < marcheu> was it available with source ?
20:56 < ElRoutier> well, only in part
20:56 < ElRoutier> the GL part is the C source
20:56 < ElRoutier> ouch
20:56 < ElRoutier> not C, it's javascript
20:56 < ElRoutier> Doc teaser : This document describes the NVIDIA Modular Diagnostic Software (MODS). MODS is a
20:56 < ElRoutier> poweful software program that allows users to test the NVIDIA hardware. MODS is used for
20:56 < ElRoutier> two primary purposes. Firstly, MODS is used for chip and board functional validation.
20:56 < ElRoutier> Secondly, MODS is used for chip and board failure analysis and debug.
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20:57 < reituoReL> let me upload it, we'll see if it can help
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20:59 < LeRoutier> http://www.leroutier.net/nouveau/NVMods.zip  see GLRANDOM.js and the pdf at least
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21:02 < LeRoutier> got a crappy connection today
21:02 < LeRoutier> marcheu, got it ?
21:02 < marcheu> yup
21:02 < marcheu> I was actually planning on adding a memory failure test in the drm
21:03 < marcheu> so that we can actually tell from people's log if they have some broken hardware
21:03 < marcheu> and maybe later work around partly faulty memory...
21:03 < LeRoutier> unfortunatly, it's old material, it only covers NV4 up to NV20
21:03 < marcheu> by not allocating it
21:04 < marcheu> hehe there are object names in that .pdf
21:04 < LeRoutier> perhaps with a DOS emulator you'll be able to figure out what the mods.exe binary does
21:04 < darktama> marcheu: were we even close with NV20_TCL_PRIMITIVE_3D? :)
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21:04 < marcheu> darktama: close to ?
21:04 < darktama> nvidia's object name
21:05 < LeRoutier> I just found it in my dump (one of my harddrives) . so, I thought it could be of some use
21:05 < marcheu> darktama: well, not names but descriptions
21:06 < marcheu> darktama: like "class 05c : test the solid line acceleration circuitry"
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21:06 < EdB> mmm, this is a restricted dov
21:06 < EdB> doc
21:06 < darktama> marcheu: ahh, I see
21:09  * LeRoutier is trying to find newer versions
21:10 < LeRoutier> as it seems there are newer versions, like seen on this page : http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/mods-2.htm
21:10 < LeRoutier> looks like there is a linux version too
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21:12 < marcheu> very interesting
21:15 < LeRoutier> looks like this version was really leaked. it's not supposed to be in the open. It should be reserved for OEM manufacturers, to test their hardware
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21:22 < pmdata> so much objects we could add to our list :)
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21:24 < `Duke`> :O
21:25 < LeRoutier> I can really say that I hate my connection today
21:28 < darktama> marcheu: btw, I've got 6150 Go hardware now.. and nouveau (mostly) works here, which is more than I can say for nvidia's driver...
21:28 < marcheu> darktama: oh, what laptop is that ?
21:28 < darktama> I had the DMA hang a moment ago, no idea why.. but it went away after a reboot
21:28  * marcheu was looking for a light nvidia-based laptop
21:29 < darktama> compaq V6002AU.. I have to say I don't like it much yet
21:30 < darktama> I'm just glad that nouveau/nv works.. I didn't want to be left X-less until nvidia decides to release a fix (9xxx apparently)
21:30 < marcheu> yeah it's good that it works on a Go chip
21:31 < marcheu> I think we have a couple of negative reports
21:31 < `Duke`> in "less than 6 monthes" (lol?)
21:31 < marcheu> did you fix anything ?
21:31 < darktama> yeah, I was hoping to have a reproducable hang that others have reported.. 
21:31 < darktama> nope, just added the pciid to drm
21:32 < marcheu> sounds pretty good
21:32 < darktama> `Duke`: ahh, you've seen the thread then :)
21:33 < `Duke`> darktama : this is a shame :/
21:33 < darktama> I get a weird random hang in text mode, when there's a lot of scrolling.. that's annoying.. especially when you're trying to install gentoo
21:33 < darktama> I ended up doing most of it over ssh
21:33 < marcheu> in text mode..
21:33 < marcheu> I used to have that when I wedged the engine in X
21:34 < marcheu> and then went back to text mode, scrolled in vim, and then, yeah, hang
21:34 < darktama> hmm, in this case, no graphics mode had been used beforehand.. except by the BIOS I suppose.. it *did* have a logo on the POST screen
21:35 < marcheu> does starting/closing X before help ?
21:35 < darktama> I'm not sure, I'll start something compiling now that I've ran X..
21:36 < marcheu> is it a C51 nv40 based, or one g70 based ?
21:36 < darktama> I have no idea, that's why I put "C51?" on my wiki page.. any way to tell?
21:37 < marcheu> it's just some feeling I have, that there are those two kinds of C51, by looking at the driver code
21:37 < marcheu> I named those CHIPSET_C51 and CHIPSET_C5122
21:37 < marcheu> I named those CHIPSET_C51 and CHIPSET_C512
21:38 < darktama> ahh, it's 0x244 - so that's the CHIPSET_C51 one
21:38 < marcheu> yup, nv40-based
21:39 < marcheu> I suspect the g70-based appears only in motherboards for now, not in laptops
21:39 < darktama> so far, I can see two problems: 1: we don't get the EDID for the display, 2: only 32MB vram detected (by vesafb too), nvidia detects 256 (set in BIOS)
21:40 < marcheu> does it actually have 256MB, or is that turbocache ?
21:40 < darktama> it's 256MB shared (and the BIOS wont let you change it), no idea if it's a turbocache card though.. don't know much about it
21:42 < marcheu> so what's the non-AU equivalent of that laptop ?
21:42 < marcheu> are the specs available ?
21:42 < darktama> I think it's the V6000Z
21:44 < marcheu> the vram amount register was never wrong in my experience
21:44 < marcheu> so I'm not sure what that means
21:45 < darktama> yeah, I'm not sure either.. the kernel does only report ~32MB missing main memory too.. so it seems likely to be correct
21:45 < marcheu> maybe you can poke some register, which then changes the amount of shared video memory, and the default amount is 32
21:45 < darktama> yeah, that could be it.. which may be why nvidia sets up 256MB
21:45 < darktama> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks/compaq_presario/V6000_series&series_name=V6000Z_series&catLevel=3&tab_switch=true&tab=specs
21:45 < marcheu> although I do wonder how you can do that one the OS is up
21:46 < darktama> that seems close
21:46 < darktama> perhaps it just does PCI transfers to the rest of it?
21:46 < darktama> ie. uses "type 2" in the DMA objects
21:47 < marcheu> well
21:47 < marcheu> since it's shared memory, that actually means no transfer at all :)
21:47 < darktama> true
21:47 < marcheu> so maybe 32MB is for the frame buffer/unmovable stuff, the rest is always taken from system ram
21:48 < darktama> yup, that sounds likely.. if that's the case, we need to handle that too.. I don't like having only 32MB to play with :)
21:49 < marcheu> what bus is it ? PCI-E ?
21:49 < darktama> yup
21:49 < marcheu> we don't know the magic with direct PCI-E access yet
21:49 < marcheu> I hope they did something nice, like a page table
21:49 < darktama> hm, interesting.. BAR 1 says 256MB
21:50 < darktama>         Region 0: Memory at b2000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
21:50 < darktama>         Region 1: Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
21:50 < darktama>         Region 3: Memory at b1000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
21:50 < marcheu> yeah, it has to, otherwise the card can't access it through the PCI bus
21:50 < darktama> ahh
21:50 < marcheu> so that's probably done at a later stage, as we think
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21:55 < darktama> oh yay, wireless-dev gives me a kernel panic on startup :(
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22:01 < ElRoutier> got somewhere a list of which chip generation supports which texture format in hardware ?
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22:02 < darktama> LeRoutier: yes, I do somewhere.. I'll try to find it
22:02 < LeRoutier> I mean something like this ftp://download.nvidia.com/developer/OpenGL_Texture_Formats  but with newer cards too
22:02 < LeRoutier> it's only up to NV44 in this one
22:02 < darktama> oh, that's the one I have I think
22:03 < LeRoutier> ok, nevermind so. I'm not even sure there has been newer texture formats added since then
22:06 < marcheu> well, you do it with a shader anyway... the texture format doesn't really matter any more, only the number of bits per pixel
22:07 < darktama> hm, that's true.. shaders rock :)
22:07 < marcheu> hmm there are g70gl dumpes
22:08 < marcheu> I'm catching up with recent development :)
22:08 < darktama> been a busy lately then? :)
22:09 < marcheu> yup
22:11 < pmdata> even stereo ones
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22:26 < LeRoutier> got to go. have a good week-end
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